New York Personal Injury Law Blog: My Interview with Robert (Dr. "Flea") Lindeman

Eric Turkewitz, The Turkewitz Law Firm, New York, NY  

Tuesday, January 15, 2008

 

My Interview with Robert (Dr. "Flea") Lindeman

In May 2007 Robert Lindeman, a pediatrician from the Boston area, found himself uncomfortably in the public eye when the Boston Globe exposed his pseudonymous life as a blogger in a sensational front page story. The reason? Dr. Lindeman, who clearly loves writing, had been live-blogging under the name "Flea" about his experiences as a medical malpractice defendant. The plaintiff's attorney found out, he was exposed on the witness stand, and the case immediately settled. His site came down and he disappaeared from the blogosphere.

Since Dr. Lindeman had been commenting as Flea on my blog since before the trial (see the comments: Practice Tip: One Way to Cross-Examine The Attractive Doctor), and I covered the trial as best I could from the start and continued thereafter through the media fallout, I decided to follow-up with an interview request when I saw a short interview with him yesterday.

Dr. Lindeman graciously accepted my invitation and answered questions via email. These are, by far, the most extensive public comments he has made since the trial. The questions were designed to be open-ended and there were no edits, although I have added some links. All of my questions were answered, and he took me up on the offer to ask himself three more:
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1. Are these questions being answered by Flea, or by Dr. Robert Lindeman? And what, if anything, is the difference?

These questions are being answered by Dr. Robert Lindeman. I often speak of Flea in the third person, just as Flea spoke of himself in the third person. But under the hood, Flea and Dr. Lindeman are the same guy. Flea uses more bad words in public than Dr. Lindeman does. Flea displayed visual imagery of scantily clad women and you won't find this at my legitimate web site. There, however, I have unburdened myself of sharply-defined points of view designed to provoke thought. For example, the article I wrote for natickpediatrics.com on ear infections was far more inflammatory (pardon the pun) than the piece I wrote at Flea. I was surprised to see this when I looked at the pieces side by side.

2. When you were creating the posts about trial preparation, you must have known you were playing with fire. What were you thinking?

What is this, Saturday Night Live? Naturally, I was not thinking clearly. A better question might be "Why were you not thinking?" Here's why not:

I was under a tremendous amount of stress. This patient's catastrophic death struck me and everyone else involved in his care as a complete and utter surprise. I had been trying to help this boy, and he suddenly and unexpectedly died. Never, until the moment the process server showed up in my new office, did it occur to me that what I had and had not done could be construed as malpractice. When I opened the envelope and read these things about my being "negligent, careless, and without skill", I picked up the phone and called my personal lawyer. I thought I was being accused of manslaughter. I had suffered the loss of a patient and now I was being accused of having killed him, or so I thought.

My lawyer calmly explained that I was being sued for malpractice, not manslaughter and advised me to call my malpractice carrier. I put the envelope in my top drawer and went in to see my first patient of the day. My new practice had been open for two months.

Over the next five years I managed to forget I was being sued for long enough to get through the day and take care of patients the best I could. As the trial date approached I felt increasingly isolated and anxious. I felt as though this story, and the story of malpractice litigation in general, is one that ordinary folks have never heard and doctors are reluctant to tell. I believed that the anonymity would shield me. I know what you're saying to yourself now. Like I said, I was under a tremendous amount of stress. I've been told that stressed-out people do dumb things from time to time.

3. What went through your mind when you saw the front page of the Boston Globe with your name and photograph above the fold?

Honestly, my first thought was "Look! I stuffed Fred Thompson!" (the announcement of his presidential bid was below the fold). Seriously, I knew ahead of time that the article was coming out because my lawyer had called me the day before. I had no idea I'd be put on page one above the fold. With my picture. My next thought was, "holy-moly now I have to tell my parents! To this point they knew neither that I had been sued nor that I was a blogger. Things unfolded fairly quickly after that. Two of my sisters, who also knew nothing about any of this, began calling me frantically. I spent most of the day explaining.

4. What were the reactions to the Globe story from your friends, neighbors and patients?

The range of reactions can be categorized in three groups. The smallest group was the fugitive group. Within hours of getting the paper, several families called to ask to have their children's records transferred. One father showed up in person to demand his daughter's chart. One mother kept a well-visit, made no mention of the case during the visit, then called up a few days later angrily demanding the charts for her three children. Several more would depart over the coming weeks. Some parents called to talk about it. I suspect a few are still making up their minds as to whether they want to stay. Some of my colleagues have stopped talking to me. Some refuse to make eye contact.

The next largest group was the supporters. Almost immediately, I began getting calls and emails from colleagues and families telling me they supported me and appreciated what I was doing. My rabbi showed up at our home the evening the article appeared. My fellow-congregants at shul were particularly supportive, even one who had until recently written for the Globe. Another fellow-congregant is well-known as a fierce personal injury lawyer. He never said anything to me about the case, but the very next shabbos he made a point of sitting with me at Kiddush and schmoozing me. He didn't need to say anything. I understood what the gesture meant.

My mother-in-law cancelled her subscription to the Globe.

The largest group is everybody else, most of whom don't know what the hell to say or to think about any of this. The next day, several of my wife's acquaintances crossed the street to avoid her or looked away as she walked by. I suspect they didn't know how to react. As for patients, the majority said nothing. Half of this group doesn't read English-language newspapers. Some friends, all highly educated people, sincerely didn't understand what happened and asked me to explain it. The rest have simply said nothing.

5. You must have read many of the press/blog stories and commentary that followed your exposure. What was fair and what was not about the coverage?

Immediately afterward I didn't read anything, even your blog. After several weeks the temptation became too great. I read some perfectly horrendous things said about me, but honestly, I wouldn't characterize any of it as unfair. Nasty? Brutal? Sure. But not unfair. What's unfair in the blogosphere? I'm sure there's stuff I haven't read, but I'd rather not look. One group that has been paying attention has been plaintiff's lawyers. Former fellow-bloggers periodically send me their "hit reports" demonstrating that readers with domain addresses at law firms have been searching their blogs for my name or the word "Flea". I dunno, Eric, is it "fair" to say that the sharks are still in the water?

6. What regrets do you have about the incident?

You're kidding, right? Where do I start? I regret that this boy died. Boys aren't supposed to die, particularly when physicians are trying to help them. I regret the effect that all of this had on the boy's mother. I regret that her pain was drawn out and exacerbated by a plaintiff's lawyer whom I suspect cares very little for her and for her boy. I regret the effect this had on my wife, who suffered mightily from beginning to end.

I regret the enormous waste of time and energy on the part of everyone involved in this case. I'm particularly sorry for the jurors, who really appeared to be trying to make sense out of what must have seemed to them one great confusing dog-and-pony show.

I regret that five-hundred years of the rule of law and trial by jury have left us with this enormity that you call malpractice litigation. Is this really the best we can do?

I regret the loss of several families with whom I had bonded. With only one exception, each departure stung.

I regret that I may have chilled some of the dialogue in the medical blogosphere. If I didn't chill it, I suspect I turned down the temperature a few degrees.

7. What are the three most important things you would tell a new blogger, medical or otherwise?

That's really two questions. My advice to new bloggers is 1) go on, 2) have fun, 3) knock yourselves out. The blogosphere is the true marketplace of ideas. Long may she reign. To medical bloggers my advice is the following: 1) Every time you post, recite the following to yourself as though it were a mantra: "I am cutting rope with which to hang myself. I am cutting rope with which to hang myself (etc.)" 2) Any time you write anything, anywhere, recite the following to yourself as though it were a mantra: "I am cutting rope with which to hang myself. I am cutting rope with which to hang myself (etc.)" 3) Don't blog anonymously.

8. How, if at all, do you think the incident will affect you five or ten years from now?

Let's start with tomorrow. Tomorrow I expect to wake up and the job I've done every day for the past 8 years. Multiply that times five and ten years and I suspect you have my answer. I guess most folks will forget about this incident ... except for our colleagues the plaintiff's lawyers. I already know that pdf copies of Flea, incomplete though they may be, have been downloaded and distributed to at least one plaintiff's attorney firm that I know of in Boston. I suspect they'll need sources of prior inconsistent statements if anyone should come to them with an inquiry. I don't know if I'll ever write for public consumption again.

9. You had an award-winning blog because you had something to say and you wrote well. What are your thoughts on returning to the blogosphere?

Thanks for the compliment. Almost every day I see something or read something that makes me absolutely want to howl. I almost immediately compose a blog post in my head. And there it remains. Why? Because if I ever blog again my wife will kill me. Then she'll divorce me. And I'm obviously not the smartest physician in the world, but I ain't that dumb.

10. A hypothetical question: You've been called for jury duty and the case involves a question of medical malpractice. What will you tell the attorneys during the jury selection process about your ability to sit impartially ?

I will tell them that Roger Clemens will admit to using performance-enhancing drugs before I will able to sit impartially on a malpractice jury.

11. If this happened to someone else, and you were going to ask questions like I am doing now, what three questions would you like to see asked? And how would you answer them?

Neat question, Eric, thanks.
[The next three questions are Dr. Lindeman's own]

12. Do you think the public knows enough about malpractice litigation?

No. Someone who has been through it ought to tell the story.

13. What advice, if any, can you give to colleagues about lowering your risk of being sued?

Whereas I suppose it's possible in theory to lower one's risk of being sued, in practice it cannot be prevented. If you are a physician and you make diagnoses for a living, the odds are very good that you will fail to diagnose a disease some day. If the patient dies or suffers harm, the patient and/or his family will probably consult with a plaintiff's attorney. In some instances, the attorney will take a shot at. In practice there is no number of tests, no number of x-rays, CTs or MRIs that will prevent you from being sued. If the patient dies, call immediately to express your grief.

14. If you could turn back the clock to junior year in college, knowing everything that will happen, would you change your mind about careers? Law perhaps?

No. Even now, every day when I wake up, after expressing gratitude to the Almighty for my having opened my eyes, and for the blessings of my wife and children, I thank God I'm a physician. What's wrong with me?

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Addendum:
On 1/16/08, Canadian Medicine published more of the interview with Dr. Lindeman. A small part of that interview had been the subject of it's initial story. (Hat tip to Bob Coffield)

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Dr. Flea, You were enormously respected in the blogosphere and by the medical professionals there. And you are greatly missed. Please never forget the good you did and those you helped as Dr. Flea. Sandy
 
Eric,

Thanks for this. I am glad to hear Dr. Lindeman is doing well--and we all learned from him. I still miss his blog. In fact, I still have it in my sidebar, so I should probably update that.
 
I miss Dr. Flea's blog and it saddens me that doctors aren't allowed the same freedom to blog and vent as the rest of us.

We need to quit suing doctors unless we can prove that they harmed somebody with purpose and intention.
 
As a former Dr. L parent, I think you are missing the point! It wasn't whether the suit was legitimate or not.

Our departure (my decision) was based on the fact that he shared information with the public that was clearly meant for his ears only. Even though he did not share the details of the case, who wants to go to a pediatrician knowing he is scanning your affect for blog fodder? I want my pediatrician focused on my child and his needs - I don't want my concerns trivialized and demeanor lampooned a week later next to a picture of Elvira. If I can't speak freely for fear of being tapped for the next juicy installment, I can't be a patient parent.
 
I've been wondering about what happened with you, Dr. Lindeman. It was interesting to read about the aftermath of your 15 minutes :)

I'm glad you're doing ok!

Great interview.
 
anon parent:
Just to clear something up. Dr. Flea never violated HIPPA. I read his blog regularly did you...apparently not? Privacy was not violated. You are welcome to leave a doctor for any reason (or no reason). But do us all a favor, don't lie I about why you left. In medicine there is a long history of doctor's talking about "cases" with other docs (yes a blog is a little different). It is how we learn things and get other ideas about patients. No names are used. Even though there was no back and forth exchange, I learned a couple of things from flea's blog. His blog removal was a loss. My hope is some day when this all blows over he will come back. He also gives support to what I have long suspected. That his settling of the case had nothing to do with merit's rather because he was "outed". Was this justice? I am not saying flea was innocent (I don't know anymore than anybody else in blogshpere does). I am saying that he never had his day in court. The lawyer got a W becasue of legal games. Well bully for her, just don't wonder why most docs today have no faith in the present civil malpracice system and view malpractice attorney's as parasites out to get a W, justice be damned. Good luck on your future flea.
 
I never saw Dr. Lindeman discuss an actual patient, but I could certainly understand why a patient would be worried about being fodder for a blog.

In fact, I have the exact same concern here, and it is one reason that I don't discuss much in the way of pending cases, and certainly don't discuss anything in the way of personalities of my clients.
 
" never saw Dr. Lindeman discuss an actual patient, but..."

But nothing eric. Dr. Flea did not discuss specific patient's with clear identifying features. That is unless you want to state a given 10 year old who dies in the Boston area in a given year is an ID feature. In which case you might as well accuse the Boston Globe public rescords dept of an HIPPA violation. I never him saw him make any clear identification on his blog with any patient. I guess what you miss is the collaborative nature of medicine as opposed to the adversial nature of law. Good doctor's talk to each other about patients, formally and infromally. It is how we get other opinions. Very simply two (or more) heads looking at something is beter than one. I would question a doctor who does NOT discuss patient's with other docs as long as it is done in a way that privacy is not violated. the advantage of law is once something is a public record you can just cut and paste (as you do with your law round-up). Doc's obviously do that. The patient's parent has every right to go to another doc for any reason or (no reason). But very simply Flea did not violate HIPPA. Lastly, you kie every other lawyer appears to dance around the fact that flea never had his opportunity to present his side of the story in court. He settled due to lawyer games and a miscalculation on his part. This is a good example why medical people have no faith in the present civil med-mal system. Doctor's lose, patient's lose (who are harmed and can't get compensation), the only winner is you and your brethran eric.
 
Newsflash - patients can be uncomfortable with a physician's level of discretion and decide to leave a practice even if no HIPAA violation occurs. (Note spelling, by the way.) There's a big difference between discussing a case with another physician you see at the hospital and posting it on the web for any random schmoe to read. Flea's readership certainly was not limited to doctors - if it had been, he probably wouldn't have been discovered. Even if they're not identifiable, some people feel uncomfortable about having personal details posted to the world.

(This sort of reminds me of something my mother heard in high school gym. The teacher told them that if the fire alarm rang while they were in the shower, instead of trying to cover up their bodies with an inadequate towel, they should just wrap it around their head so no one would know who they were. It might sound logical, but I can't see anyone actually complying. That discomfort is not unlike the discomfort that the former Flea patient expressed.)
 
By the way, Eric, what happened to this resolution?
 
Elizabeth:

I gave Dr. Lindeman the option of the interview under his own name or the pseudonym. It was the reason for the first question (What's the diff between Flea and Lindeman?)

From his standpoint, perhaps, it's better to have an interview with him on the subject return a higher Google hit on his name than some blog entries that just trash him. At least this way future patients that look him up can see much more of his humanity than they would otherwise get.

There are some folks, like the parent who posted here, who will always stay away. But there are some who apparently have different views.
 
To Anonymous : January 15, 2008 3:18 PM (former Flea patient) and Elizabeth:

"scanning [my/my child's] affect for blog fodder?" Don't flatter yourself; physicians don't "look" for blog entries in patients or their families. You don't want to feel like you'll be in a post (disguised) two weeks later, fine--that's perfectly legit. But don't snow us with this BS about Dr. L. "[not being] focused on my child." As a supposed former happy parent/patient, you had no reason to doubt Dr. L. compromising his care before due to his thinking about blogging, or any other distraction for that matter.

Everything stems from ignorance--ignorance of the sodomy that is medical malpractice litigation and its reduction to things that have nothing to do with the true merits of the case, and ignorance of blogging and what the 'gestalt' of the blogosphere really is. It saddened me to read about so many people reacting so negatively, especially colleagues and neighbors that knew the man already. These people were reacting like it was proven he committed a crime or treason. Shameful.
 
Flea, it's great to see you and know that you are doing okay.

If you are ever ready to return, we're (da bloggers) are here!

Eric, thanks for posting the interview!
 
Yes, all plaintiff's lawyers are sharks who hate children. And all doctors are gifted saints who went into this profession to help people.

One of the greatest disappointments to me about this whole saga is the way it polarizes people. Dr. Flea may have been a great blogger, but to dismiss what happened with his case as "legal maneuvering" is simply inaccurate.

He was advised repeatedly going into the trial that he needed to appear sympathetic to the jury, and yet he posted in a public and very popular blog comments about his jury that were less than flattering. Comments about his patient's mother and the other attorney that were very unflattering.

I have read bloggers who say this was irrelevant and the plaintiff's lawyer robbed the good doctor of his day in court, but the reality is he robbed himself. He made his choice and he definitely paid the consequences, but please people - do not keep writing about him like he is a major victim here.

Also, please stop writing about plaintiff's lawyers as if they are the sole cause for the reason that medical malpractice claims are so difficult and ineffective. Insurance companies and defense attorneys deserve at least as much, if not more of the blame. This has become a complicated issue, and to repeatedly demonize a whole profession simply because it is easy is inaccurate and myopic.
 
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